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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Aug 28, 2019 9:35:51 GMT 1
I guess it's time for me to say something as well About results: Well, my prediction pretty much went down the drain But that's fine I guess, because they usually do... I'm glad to see my entry doing as well as it did in such strong competition. If I look at the voting table, I can see that only 10 people gave my entry points, but it was still enough to finish 9th. That proves what I already knew - it's gonna be a love/hate entry. Anyway, thank's to every one of those 10 people for points they gave me I'm quite glad to see Mexico and Slovenia in top10 as well. But Taiwan is the most underrated entry imo. Wasn't expecting UK to be the lowest of the 9 "big boys", but I guess it's kinda logic, if we compare those 9 songs. Other than that, 7 popular songs in top10 was quite expectable. As for the winner - congratulations to the player! Even though I'm not a fan of the song (I actually find it quite annoying, but that's just me), I don't mind Australia as a country winning. As for the situation that's been "boiling" here, I'm only gonna repeat, what my university professor taught me - "You are ALLOWED to disagree with someone's opinion, but you HAVE TO respect/accept it, no matter how wrong or weird that opinion is. Everyone has equal rights for an opinion no matter it's content." EDIT: Even though I sometimes might not agree with the fact that popular songs take all the glory, I still don't mind them participating, because when I'm voting I don't pay too much attention to how popular the song is - if I like it enough, I'll vote for it no matter what. Every song has rights to take part, no matter how annoying/sad/unfair it might seem at some point. That's just reality and we have to take it as it is.
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Post by italix on Aug 28, 2019 10:18:23 GMT 1
You probably noticed that I stopped doing post-results comments after the 70th edition. But I'll do an exception this time because I must react to something. I'm sorry but in my personal opinion, saying that the whole top 8 is atrocious is an extremely offensive comment. Moreover, speaking about France, which is included in the "atrocious top 8", this comment is extremely unfair. France sent far less big hits than other countries, and had far less victories than other countries. And this edition was also a special one for France, the 50th participation to the contest and the 50th anniversary of France's last victory. By the way, I just can't imagine what drama would have occured if I had said after the results of the 54th edition: "The top 2 is atrocious (speaking about Con te partiro and I kissed a girl), Julie Zenatti should have won." I won't comment the results themselves. I respect the choices made by the other HoDs and the votes - I gave up the goal of understanding the votes a long time ago anyway. I also notice that nobody complained when Thalia, Lou Bega, Michael Jackson and Bonnie Tyler were sent to the same edition (the 70th). We just had a much stronger edition this time by accident. After the first big hits got revealed, the other HoDs could have decided to keep their entries for another edition but they decided to maintain them. I don't know why and that doesn't really matter. What is done is done. There is no need to ignite a thermonuclear war for that. Nothing good can happen by saying "the whole top 8 is atrocious". See you next edition. It is your opinion indeed, but just like I respect it, then hopefully you respect mine as well, even if you might disagree with it. The comment is anyway not meant to go to the players so don't take it personally, but to the entries which I didn't vote for and was hoping not to see them on top but this apparently wasn't the case. I don't think there is anything I need to apologize for, it is my opinion and just like everyone else, I'm also free to post it. Concerning your comment about the 54th edition, the comparison is just hilarious if you ask me, because if you had said that, you'd sound like you're pissed because you lost the victory to those 2 songs, whereas I wouldn't have won or lost much had the TOP 8 of this edition been the bottom 8 for instance. Now the 50th Edition is a totally different story; you can expect quite some big artists taking part in a "Best Of" edition, as those are the ones that tend to do well apparently. Lastly, I am not intending to ignite a thermonuclear war, believe me, and I do think that maybe something good can happen, if some people realize that the situation with well-known songs is just ridiculous and should stop at some point, so that everyone can stand more equal chances of doing well. Once again, I don't feel concerned by the last part. And I can't be concerned because even if I wanted to sent very well-known songs every edition, it would be impossible because there aren't enough French songs that are known worldwide - and you can be quiet, Dernière danse has already been sent to the main contest. This is the same for Italy, Mexico or Spain for example (other countries from the "atrocious top 8"). So please don't assimilate all of them in your comment because the situation of each country is different. And certainly not France, because I used less week-known artists/songs than most of the other big countries, and because it is not a surprise if I use a strong song every x5th edition. I insist on the term "strong", because it's completely different from "well-known". I even completly missed Sandrine François' song (the one I sent to the 65th edition) and discovered it only a few months before I sent it. It is not a surprise either if I made a stronger selection (made of well-kwown and unknown artists/songs) for this decade because the last French victory in this contest was an eternity ago - and that clearly made me flop at 70th edition - and because I had very disappointing results with some other choices so I had to ban some artists. And you definitely can't blame me for that because if you look at French history, you'll see that almost every time that France finished in the top 3 and didn't win, a very known song/artist won the contest.
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Post by italix on Aug 28, 2019 10:51:38 GMT 1
EDIT: Even though I sometimes might not agree with the fact that popular songs take all the glory, I still don't mind them participating, because when I'm voting I don't pay too much attention to how popular the song is - if I like it enough, I'll vote for it no matter what. Every song has rights to take part, no matter how annoying/sad/unfair it might seem at some point. That's just reality and we have to take it as it is. Same for me. There are famous singers that I hate and there are even songs that I hate from singers I like (and also songs that I like by singers that I generally dislike - I will certainly use one of them next year that I consider as a masterpiece but I just can't listen to any of the other songs by the same singer). So for example if have the idea of sending this one day, they will receive a massive from France, not because of the association of two superstars, but because I think that this song is a complete garbage.
Every song has its chances when I vote or when I make my selection, either it's well-known or not. And when I select a song by a famous artist, I don't necessary choose the most known. But you won't ever see me sending a well-known song but that I dislike by a famous artist. That seems quite logical, I won't pretend to receive votes for a song that would receive from me.
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Post by тнєяσиттi95 on Aug 28, 2019 11:54:19 GMT 1
Are the worldwide hits or people voting for them really that big of a deal in the end? We should just enjoy music which is the main idea here lets just all do so shall we, no matter if the song is well known or not. Personally it does not affect my votes one bit. I vote for older ones if they do fit my taste etc those also bring a nice diversity when there are some well known ones among the older entries and not so known ones. I personally enjoy both And afterall it is just an online contest in which the main purpose is to have fun. You do not get any winning prize or a trophy for it, you just get to feel happy for a little while and that is it. For me personally the result is not the most important thing, instead i like to see people sending whatever songs they want whenever they want, again not minding how well the song is known. Yes at this scale it can be harder for those countries that do not have big worldwide hits and i do understand that, but again, result is not all, it is the music and you can ofc always skip voting for them if you feel like it you can be happy even with a bad result if you just have the "right mentality" for it Lets just have fun is what i mean!
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Post by mimisthesc on Aug 28, 2019 12:12:30 GMT 1
the situation with well-known songs is just ridiculous and should stop at some point, so that everyone can stand more equal chances of doing well. Well in the end it's a competition, not a charity event and well-known songs wouldn't get these results if they were bad songs Latvia proved that you can do well with unknown songs if they're good and the UK proved that even known hits don't automatically get a good result handed to them. If a song is good, it receives my vote, no matter its chart performance If so many people were annoyed by well-known songs, I don't think we would've gotten the results that we did this edition so please consider that before trying to change the rules of the contest to your favor Obviously everyone votes as they like and indeed, apparently not many people seem to be annoyed (this is the main reason why well-known hits do well anyway and it's not any 'secret formula' ). I don't see how I'm trying to change the rules of the contest though to my favor just by stating a personal opinion. This is what I feel like and you can also ignore it; it won't really have any impact apparently. Also, believe me, if I wanted to change the rules, I would have already done so in the main contest.
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Post by fabbi on Aug 28, 2019 21:06:12 GMT 1
Well that's a disappointment. For once we have so many amazing songs competing at once and then most of them aren't even playing in the results. Definitely a booo! Just kidding ofc. But being honest it's quite hilarious how silent a result video can be.
21st! I was actually aiming for a top 20, but that's okay too. Thanks a lot to Armenia for , Montenegro and South Korea for , USA, Ethiopia and Turkey for and then the 2 shocking votes aka from Austria and from Taiwan. I actually like the results although Australia (congrats for a win btw.) and USA are songs I'm rather indifferent about (but definitely more towards the "I like them" - side and really dislike Canada ... Generally there's, however, not too much to talk about. Not going to comment anything on the topic above. My amount of international hits I could send is incredibly limited anyway lol.
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Post by Gilberto on Aug 28, 2019 23:41:02 GMT 1
Thank you very much for this 7th place Considering my song wasn't really a huge global hit and still made it to the top 10 is very big I'm happy that out of the hits, my favorite one won Very happy for Latvia for making their way in the top 10 as well between all the hits See you soon!
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Post by ᴛᴏᴍ ᴋʟᴏsᴇʀ on Sept 1, 2019 17:10:04 GMT 1
Regarding the hits scandal, as said before, I don't vote based on if its a hit, particular artist, genre, year, etc., just based on the song. Though if a country were to just send hits every single edition, I think that ruins the point of the contest, (allowing others to) discover new music. That's why I tend to alternate between hits and non-hits, or send hits even less often. See you in Australia (which we're in now already oops)
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