OSC - Rules

[Llemian]

Mar 7, 2016 22:36:07 GMT 1 willsong said:

Mar 7, 2016 19:35:32 GMT 1 Llemian said:

Criteria from Edition 27 was difficult but It just doesn't seem ideal to accept every single location if no one is going to continuously using them. 

Western Sahara is a territory but no one would ever use it frequently and same to New Caledonia. 

The countries in the list are there either they are an independant nation or they appear frequently in contest in the forums or are nations that will have frequent use. 

I would use them though (Otherwise I wouldn't have asked).
The frequent use argument is not really valid. It is subjective, I've never seen anyone outside me use or , and I can't really say that , and are frequently used as well, while Western Sahara is quite frequently used in AfricaVision.
BTW, you're missing one very small independent state as well 
And if you block a nation because it is not yet used a lot it never will, which is unfair I think.
What would be the difference between Nauru staying unused for dozens of editions and New Caledonia being unused for dozens of editions?
Furthermore, continuous use should not matter in a contest in which no nations are reserved to players, and everyone can take any eligible country at any edition.

I can understand size and lack of an ISO code as arguments, that is a clear yardstick to measure eligibility, which was a great improvement imo.
What I don't get is that the criterium changes as soon as I find a nation matching the criteria sketched before which is not on the list as is.
I would like a black and white criterium for eligible countries, instead of a list which is selected on subjective criteria.

An example of this would be:

Eligible are:

a) All independent countries
b) All territories with at least (insert number) inhabitants that have an ISO code

This would make it clear for everyone, and would save us the endless going round and round over certain countries  

The countries were discussed by all three hosts and as of yet no other host has asked to change the list.

All countries were chosen by the hosts. 

If more people feel the list needs to change then we will discuss it again but as it is.

I will stand with the list that we have got and see what will happen to the list we already have.

If people aren't going to use the countries we already have then we have no need to increase the different countries available. 

[willsong]

Mar 7, 2016 22:41:26 GMT 1 Llemian said:

Mar 7, 2016 22:36:07 GMT 1 willsong said:

I would use them though (Otherwise I wouldn't have asked).
The frequent use argument is not really valid. It is subjective, I've never seen anyone outside me use or , and I can't really say that , and are frequently used as well, while Western Sahara is quite frequently used in AfricaVision.
BTW, you're missing one very small independent state as well 
And if you block a nation because it is not yet used a lot it never will, which is unfair I think.
What would be the difference between Nauru staying unused for dozens of editions and New Caledonia being unused for dozens of editions?
Furthermore, continuous use should not matter in a contest in which no nations are reserved to players, and everyone can take any eligible country at any edition.

I can understand size and lack of an ISO code as arguments, that is a clear yardstick to measure eligibility, which was a great improvement imo.
What I don't get is that the criterium changes as soon as I find a nation matching the criteria sketched before which is not on the list as is.
I would like a black and white criterium for eligible countries, instead of a list which is selected on subjective criteria.

An example of this would be:

Eligible are:

a) All independent countries
b) All territories with at least (insert number) inhabitants that have an ISO code

This would make it clear for everyone, and would save us the endless going round and round over certain countries  

The countries were discussed by all three hosts and as of yet no other host has asked to change the list.

All countries were chosen by the hosts. 

If more people feel the list needs to change then we will discuss it again but as it is.

I will stand with the list that we have got and see what will happen to the list we already have.

If people aren't going to use the countries we already have then we have no need to increase the different countries available. 

You could've said that immediately, if you had no intention of changing anything in the first place, there was no need to use a certain argument to delay my moaning any further, only to lengthen the discussion more. I find it a shame that small territories are discriminated in this way, but I'll leave it here, because it won't change anything. No need for more drama in the forum soap series 

[Llemian]

Mar 7, 2016 22:57:36 GMT 1 willsong said:

Mar 7, 2016 22:41:26 GMT 1 Llemian said:

The countries were discussed by all three hosts and as of yet no other host has asked to change the list.

All countries were chosen by the hosts. 

If more people feel the list needs to change then we will discuss it again but as it is.

I will stand with the list that we have got and see what will happen to the list we already have.

If people aren't going to use the countries we already have then we have no need to increase the different countries available. 

You could've said that immediately, if you had no intention of changing anything in the first place, there was no need to use a certain argument to delay my moaning any further, only to lengthen the discussion more. I find it a shame that small territories are discriminated in this way, but I'll leave it here, because it won't change anything. No need for more drama in the forum soap series 

This isn''t drama this is just a discussion. 

I am more than happy to discuss the rules and see if changes can be made but to include rules so that a non dependant territory can compete for one edition and never return (because no one else will use it) can be used, it seems pointless to include that. 

Yes British V. Islands and French Polynesia competed but that was at a time when there were few members on the contest and I thought they would be used more than once rather than them be thrown away because they didn't win or get in the top 3.

If these minor territories start being used by multiple users then perhaps the idea will be address to MBU. 

I am sorry that many forums members dislike  the way I run this contest and rules and 'other reason' but I am just here to enjoy myself and run a fair contest

I hope this is alright and again I am sorry. 

[MG]

Mar 7, 2016 19:35:32 GMT 1 Llemian said:

The countries in the list are there either they are an independant nation [...]

So Aland is much independent much w0w

[Matilda]

I ask here: can strikes are taken back if you have an excuse for non-voting?

[Llemian]

Apr 5, 2016 16:26:33 GMT 1 Matilda said:

I ask here: can strikes are taken back if you have an excuse for non-voting?

If you tell us that you cannot vote prior to the deadline this is alright. 


Just ignoring our messages won't be an excuse

[fabbi]

About the grand-parents rule: Can you either drop it or at least make your decisions being still a bit realistic. We now have the discussion about North Korea represented by someone from the South (which in reality would never happen) and I don't know about other people but I'm totally fed up with these things.

[Gilberto]

Jul 14, 2016 20:09:54 GMT 1 fabbi said:

About the grand-parents rule: Can you either drop it or at least make your decisions being still a bit realistic. We now have the discussion about North Korea represented by someone from the South (which in reality would never happen) and I don't know about other people but I'm totally fed up with these things.

I couldn't hit that like button faster

I agree, maybe drop it to parents only so we avoid having those kind of connections, 1/8 seems really weak for me.

[Josh's Tattoo (Inactive)]

Jul 14, 2016 20:09:54 GMT 1 fabbi said:

About the grand-parents rule: Can you either drop it or at least make your decisions being still a bit realistic. We now have the discussion about North Korea represented by someone from the South (which in reality would never happen) and I don't know about other people but I'm totally fed up with these things.

I will talk to Darrell about this. 

[Dylan]

The thing with Dami Im representing North Korea to me seems a bit weird as stated that she is South Korean and given the conflict between the two.. yeah, I'd never see someone from the opposite side of the border reprsent that country and vice versa

Tho I'm not dissatisfied with the contest, I just felt that