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Post by MG on Sept 21, 2017 23:29:33 GMT 1
How was Mantissa accepted? I thought unoriginal entries are denied
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Post by George J. on Sept 21, 2017 23:44:18 GMT 1
How was Mantissa accepted? I thought unoriginal entries are denied Jtk, Mantissa, is neither overused / unoriginal. It's just a hyped songs and a radio hit which happened to be big in the forum and the contsets too. The only contests it competed here was NNMC , WWWSC and NVSC (the Greek national selection, which kinda doesn't count that much), so that's the reason it's accepted.
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Post by MG on Sept 21, 2017 23:47:57 GMT 1
How was Mantissa accepted? I thought unoriginal entries are denied Jtk, Mantissa, is neither overused / unoriginal. It's just a hyped songs and a radio hit which happened to be big in the forum and the contsets too. The only contests it competed here was NNMC , WWWSC and NVSC (the Greek national selection, which kinda doesn't count that much), so that's the reason it's accepted. And being in these contests isn't enough to be called unoriginal? So you just assumed that you sent it to scorewhore
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Post by George J. on Sept 21, 2017 23:52:29 GMT 1
Jtk, Mantissa, is neither overused / unoriginal. It's just a hyped songs and a radio hit which happened to be big in the forum and the contsets too. The only contests it competed here was NNMC , WWWSC and NVSC (the Greek national selection, which kinda doesn't count that much), so that's the reason it's accepted. And being in these contests isn't enough to be called unoriginal? So you just assumed that you sent it to scorewhore Tbvh, Luiri 'pushed' me to send it and secondly they wouldn't accept it if it 'was enough'.. And don't worry if I wanted to scorewhore I would send something else as Mantissa usually fails (at least were I have seen it - WWWSC, poor Apostolis )
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Post by MG on Sept 22, 2017 0:13:39 GMT 1
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Post by Hayastantzi92 on Sept 22, 2017 5:43:55 GMT 1
Yes!
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Post by italix on Sept 22, 2017 8:16:24 GMT 1
And being in these contests isn't enough to be called unoriginal? So you just assumed that you sent it to scorewhore Tbvh, Luiri 'pushed' me to send it and secondly they wouldn't accept it if it 'was enough'.. And don't worry if I wanted to scorewhore I would send something else as Mantissa usually fails (at least were I have seen it - WWWSC, poor Apostolis ) The way this contest works is quite disturbing. Some players have to wait during months before knowing if their songs are accepted or refused and some others seem to be "helped" in their selection. I hope we will have an explanation about this. Personally: - For edition 18, I sent a list of three songs for a little national selection. After several reminders in several months, I finally learnt a few days before the competition started that one of my songs was refused by two members of the council. I sent a replacement song that had been approved before... and flopped. - For edition 19, I said that I needed to know the reason why one of my songs had been refused on previous edition because I wanted to know if Liechtenstein was "playable". This is why I said in the confirmation thread that the participation of Liechtenstein was heavily compromised. The answer I needed never came, and I finally got a strike for not having officially withdrawn (the only strike I received on this forum)... - For edition 20, I learnt six days after the opening of the confirmations that my reservation for Ukraine I made a long time ago had been cancelled... I am still candidate for Finland - I like it and never had the opportunity to host it - but I wish that, from now, rules will be applied fairly and for everybody.
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Post by George on Sept 22, 2017 10:31:19 GMT 1
Jtk, Mantissa, is neither overused / unoriginal. It's just a hyped songs and a radio hit which happened to be big in the forum and the contsets too. The only contests it competed here was NNMC , WWWSC and NVSC (the Greek national selection, which kinda doesn't count that much), so that's the reason it's accepted. And being in these contests isn't enough to be called unoriginal? So you just assumed that you sent it to scorewhore Lel idk what you are discussing for but that is always happening to me when I want to send a greek song.About,mantissa(o le me kill you george as nothing is sure about the dsq of mantissa yet )
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Post by Luiri on Sept 22, 2017 14:58:55 GMT 1
- For edition 18, I sent a list of three songs for a little national selection. After several reminders in several months, I finally learnt a few days before the competition started that one of my songs was refused by two members of the council. I sent a replacement song that had been approved before... and flopped. - For edition 19, I said that I needed to know the reason why one of my songs had been refused on previous edition because I wanted to know if Liechtenstein was "playable". This is why I said in the confirmation thread that the participation of Liechtenstein was heavily compromised. The answer I needed never came, and I finally got a strike for not having officially withdrawn (the only strike I received on this forum)... - For edition 20, I learnt six days after the opening of the confirmations that my reservation for Ukraine I made a long time ago had been cancelled... I am still candidate for Finland - I like it and never had the opportunity to host it - but I wish that, from now, rules will be applied fairly and for everybody. ED 18 : We approved 1 out of your 3 entries and refused the other one because of the singer, the third one you didn't make any effort asking the Lithuanian player. So we gave the reasons of why we disaproved your entries. REMINDER : you had one song approved at that time. Concerning the second song you sent to approval, yes on this case we took our time for approving it, as we didn't noticed your PM. ED 19 : The post you've done tend to say that you weren't going to participate, so no reason to keep you on the list of participating countries. And it's not like you were going to cooperate as you didn't sent a song to approval for that edition. ED 20 : Your reservation for Ukraine was removed due to the fact that it was against the rules of EoF (you had 2 participations in EoF overall, despite 3 were needed for swapping countries) but again you didn't trusted us (again). If you don't cooperate by SIMPLY RESPECING THE RULES, it's not my problem or the problems of the council, but it's yours. And also you will not be able to apply for Finland as the rules for applying to the draw is to have competed 3 editions in EoF, while you still have two participations in EoF. MG We accepted Mantissa due to the fact that it's not overused/unoriginal (it wasn't on many contests on the forums), and the entry was sent like a month ago to approval so... I don't think there is an attempt to scorewhore or something else
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Post by italix on Sept 22, 2017 16:26:28 GMT 1
- For edition 18, I sent a list of three songs for a little national selection. After several reminders in several months, I finally learnt a few days before the competition started that one of my songs was refused by two members of the council. I sent a replacement song that had been approved before... and flopped. - For edition 19, I said that I needed to know the reason why one of my songs had been refused on previous edition because I wanted to know if Liechtenstein was "playable". This is why I said in the confirmation thread that the participation of Liechtenstein was heavily compromised. The answer I needed never came, and I finally got a strike for not having officially withdrawn (the only strike I received on this forum)... - For edition 20, I learnt six days after the opening of the confirmations that my reservation for Ukraine I made a long time ago had been cancelled... I am still candidate for Finland - I like it and never had the opportunity to host it - but I wish that, from now, rules will be applied fairly and for everybody. ED 18 : We approved 1 out of your 3 entries and refused the other one because of the singer, the third one you didn't make any effort asking the Lithuanian player. So we gave the reasons of why we disaproved your entries. REMINDER : you had one song approved at that time. Concerning the second song you sent to approval, yes on this case we took our time for approving it, as we didn't noticed your PM. ED 19 : The post you've done tend to say that you weren't going to participate, so no reason to keep you on the list of participating countries. And it's not like you were going to cooperate as you didn't sent a song to approval for that edition. ED 20 : Your reservation for Ukraine was removed due to the fact that it was against the rules of EoF (you had 2 participations in EoF overall, despite 3 were needed for swapping countries) but again you didn't trusted us (again). If you don't cooperate by SIMPLY RESPECING THE RULES, it's not my problem or the problems of the council, but it's yours. And also you will not be able to apply for Finland as the rules for applying to the draw is to have competed 3 editions in EoF, while you still have two participations in EoF. MG We accepted Mantissa due to the fact that it's not overused/unoriginal (it wasn't on many contests on the forums), and the entry was sent like a month ago to approval so... I don't think there is an attempt to scorewhore or something else ED 18: you never gave me the reason why the song was refused and you never told me what restrictions applied to Liechstenstein in comparison with Austria and Switzerland. So now you"re telling me that Ramona Rotstich is not allowed for Liechtenstein. OK, then I think you should simply eliminate every borrowing country because they are definitely not playable with so huge restrictions (but when I see that San Marino was allowed to use Lacuna Coil apparently the limitation doesn't apply to each country... ) . And I didn't ask anything to the other host because I simply had no time to replace the refused entry so I had to cancel my national final. Things would have been different if I hadn't have to wait for MONTHS before having an answer despite several reminders in PM and on the confirmation thread. You can't pretend that you never "noticed" any of these messages. ED 19: The reason why I said that the participation of Liechtenstein was compromised for edition 19 was that I was waiting for the answer to my questions about this country. You NEVER answered until now. If I have had my answer, I would have officially withdrawn from the contest for a comeback in edition 20 like I just did a few weeks ago. ED 20: I applied for Ukraine far before your decision of changing the rules. At that time, only two participations were required before switching. My wish was to play with Ukraine in edition 19 but Aliya answered me that you were going to change the rules and that I would have to wait for the 20th edition. I have never been informed that I absolutely needed to send a song for Liechtenstein or I would lose my reservation. YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT and I had to wait six more days after you gave Ukraine to someone else before being informed of this. You accuse me of not not respecting the rules but YOU CLEARLY DON'T RESPECT EQUITY BETWEEN THE PARTICIPANTS. You help some players by "pushing" them to use obviously overused songs ("Mantissa" already reached the 9th place of the charts of this forum - I don't think that ANY OTHER GREEK SONG made it - and it has been used many times in various contests and for various countries - Greece, Cyprus and even Sudan). I just can't believe that you could affirm that this song is not overused. And Greece is not Malta, there are many songs that could be used in a contest... I also see that you organised a draw for England some times ago because the country has a big music industry but that you took France for yourself and never left it, that you directly gave Italy to Wysteria and that Aliya obtained Germany thanks to a private trade. This is clearly unfair for the other players. On the other hand, you made some players wait during weeks or months for the approval of their songs (I'm not the only one who encountered this problem). This is the only contest on the forum where people are threatened by strikes when they say they just can't send entries because they are still waiting for an approval. This is just ridiculous. In conclusion, you should "cooperate" by respecting the players.
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