Post by Aliya on Sept 22, 2017 17:11:55 GMT 1
ED 18 : We approved 1 out of your 3 entries and refused the other one because of the singer, the third one you didn't make any effort asking the Lithuanian player. So we gave the reasons of why we disaproved your entries. REMINDER : you had one song approved at that time.
Concerning the second song you sent to approval, yes on this case we took our time for approving it, as we didn't noticed your PM.
ED 19 : The post you've done tend to say that you weren't going to participate, so no reason to keep you on the list of participating countries. And it's not like you were going to cooperate as you didn't sent a song to approval for that edition.
ED 20 : Your reservation for Ukraine was removed due to the fact that it was against the rules of EoF (you had 2 participations in EoF overall, despite 3 were needed for swapping countries) but again you didn't trusted us (again).
If you don't cooperate by SIMPLY RESPECING THE RULES, it's not my problem or the problems of the council, but it's yours.
And also you will not be able to apply for Finland as the rules for applying to the draw is to have competed 3 editions in EoF, while you still have two participations in EoF.
MG We accepted Mantissa due to the fact that it's not overused/unoriginal (it wasn't on many contests on the forums), and the entry was sent like a month ago to approval so... I don't think there is an attempt to scorewhore or something else
ED 19: The reason why I said that the participation of Liechtenstein was compromised for edition 19 was that I was waiting for the answer to my questions about this country. You NEVER answered until now. If I have had my answer, I would have officially withdrawn from the contest for a comeback in edition 20 like I just did a few weeks ago.
ED 20: I applied for Ukraine far before your decision of changing the rules. At that time, only two participations were required before switching. My wish was to play with Ukraine in edition 19 but Aliya answered me that you were going to change the rules and that I would have to wait for the 20th edition. I have never been informed that I absolutely needed to send a song for Liechtenstein or I would lose my reservation. YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT and I had to wait six more days after you gave Ukraine to someone else before being informed of this.
You accuse me of not not respecting the rules but YOU CLEARLY DON'T RESPECT EQUITY BETWEEN THE PARTICIPANTS. You help some players by "pushing" them to use obviously overused songs ("Mantissa" already reached the 9th place of the charts of this forum - I don't think that ANY OTHER GREEK SONG made it - and it has been used many times in various contests and for various countries - Greece, Cyprus and even Sudan). I just can't believe that you could affirm that this song is not overused. And Greece is not Malta, there are many songs that could be used in a contest...
I also see that you organised a draw for England some times ago because the country has a big music industry but that you took France for yourself and never left it, that you directly gave Italy to Wysteria and that Aliya obtained Germany thanks to a private trade. This is clearly unfair for the other players.
On the other hand, you made some players wait during weeks or months for the approval of their songs (I'm not the only one who encountered this problem). This is the only contest on the forum where people are threatened by strikes when they say they just can't send entries because they are still waiting for an approval. This is just ridiculous.
In conclusion, you should "cooperate" by respecting the players.
From the past editions we've had some issues regarding this topic, and I'm trying my best to be as reasonable as possible during my explanation and all of it.
Edition 18: As much as you know, I've rather agreed with the NS and didn't say anything against it as much, however the fact that the other 2 disagreed with certain entries doesn't mean it's their fault - as they were rather doing their part. Speaking of the late part thingy, we have a lot of approval messages and it's hard to keep up with literally every single one of them, and it happens often for one of us to miss something out.
Edition 19: I can't remember much from this part other than (what you've did mention previously) Liechtenstein's questionable participation, however you've sent nothing to approval and therefore the council had no choice other than make the country withdraw. At that time, indeed and I'm being 100% honest there, you asked me about the Ukraine situation, if I'm right.
Edition 20: Speaking of Ukraine... Yes, indeed I've tried to understand the issue with Ukraine at that point, as many users actually were interested in it and eventually declined their original application, so I've tried to make sense with the council in order to make something out of this. As advised, I did say that you can take it from #20 on - however there was the 3 songs base which was implanted a few editions ago. Luiri only tried to point it out that a withdraw =/= a song and therefore you had to remain with Liechtenstein for at least one edition before you'd move to some other country. I do get your point though, so I can't blame you for being angry in this case, I'd probably react the same if I were you.
Unfair, huh? Well, lemme try to explain as much as I can.
In Mantissa's case, yes it's been hyped and all, but it wasn't really used in many contests, and the fact that the HoD sent it actually months ago led to its approval. And as mentioned by you, Mantissa was in Forum Charts, but most likely "Mono Gia Sena" also topped at some point if the charts were made later, so the point of "any other greek song didn't made it untill then" isn't really a statement to go on.
The draw parts: It's not like we decided to give the countries to this and that user, it was a common swap that simply happened with the agreement of the user which had the nation at that point. Even Luiri himself made a post regarding this, if you probably haven't seen it.
In Italy's case, anyway Vukasin was interested in Italy for months and all, and considering he had San Marino, it was obvious that he will eventually aim to get Italy at this point.
Regarding the case with me and Germany, look, I intended to swap Aland Islands for a while considering I remained without entries, so anyway Aland would've been left free at some point. The user which had Germany eventually got Romania, and considering I passed Aland by my own will to the actual HoD, I got Germany in exchange.
About France, what point you're trying to make in this case? Luiri had it since #1 indeed, because he wanted the country and he's familiar with its music industry. Just because it's a "big country", it doesn't allow him to choose a country because some other person decided that he wants it all of a sudden? I find that point quite useless.
We do try to cooperate as much as possible, but if you think we stay 24/7 in front of a computer just pointing out certain things regarding this contest, you're pretty much wrong. We also have other stuff to deal with, and not only virtually. And especially, in my case at least, I don't like being involved in any kind of drama, and I'm trying to make everything rationally. But in all honesty, it's not that hard to get a small nation and make it good, as you seem to aim over the countries with bigger music industry, like it's the only nations that make good music.
In conclusion, if you don't like anything related to how the contest goes, be free to leave. I'm personally sick and tired of all this topic all around, despite me trying to be as understandable as possible - but I'm not the entire council.
And we don't want an argue escalating over this topic.