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Post by Laurinda on Oct 6, 2018 20:37:25 GMT 1
So if our other suggestions weren't picked by our partner, they can still be used in future editions? Yes, of course. It's the same with national selections. As long as the song hasn't participated in either of the contests, it is eligible.
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Post by italix on Oct 6, 2018 20:38:55 GMT 1
Option B could be interesting, but it depends on the country we are paired with. If I'm paired with for example, no offense, but I don't know any artist from there and I don't even know where I could search. I think that the best would be to draw the pairs THEN to let the two players decide if they want to select songs for each other. Or make pairs with players from the same geographic area.
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Post by nijat on Oct 6, 2018 21:38:08 GMT 1
Option B could be interesting, but it depends on the country we are paired with. If I'm paired with for example, no offense, but I don't know any artist from there and I don't even know where I could search. I think that the best would be to draw the pairs THEN to let the two players decide if they want to select songs for each other. Or make pairs with players from the same geographic area. I disagree with the statement in bolded section. What if the pairs comprise of participants preferring different options? However, I think underlined statement is a very good idea, or at least Option B participants should not be paired "too randomly" considering difficulties arising from the reasons you have mentioned. I am personally familiar with Armenian and Latvian music to some extent, and I wouldn't mind to do a research on retro music from these countries (I have mentioned only these two, as they have expressed support for Option B) Maybe those who opted for Option B should indicate about which countries' music industries they can do a research. (without going "too easy") I would also suggest to base the special edition on only one of the options if there is a considerable opposition to another one. Even though I personally like Option B very much, for realistic purposes, I decided to make these suggestions inspired by your comment.
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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Oct 6, 2018 22:15:30 GMT 1
Maybe those who opted for Option B should indicate about which countries' music industries they can do a research. (without going "too easy") I already mentioned in my post that I'm up for a challenge, so I'm ok with any country
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Post by nijat on Oct 6, 2018 22:27:16 GMT 1
Maybe those who opted for Option B should indicate about which countries' music industries they can do a research. (without going "too easy") I already mentioned in my post that I'm up for a challenge, so I'm ok with any country I am also up for any challenge, as I like to discover the music that I have not come across with before. But many people can find it very hard to do such kind of research, which is why a compromise is needed, IMO.
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Post by ✨ Nicole ✨ on Oct 6, 2018 22:35:30 GMT 1
I wouldn't mind either option, though Option B seems more exciting.
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Post by Laurinda on Oct 6, 2018 22:40:23 GMT 1
I am hands down for option B Because that's the only "special one" from the 2 offered. And here's why - I don't really approve the first option, because it's basically a National Selection, just instead of multiple people choosing your 1 entry, it will be just 1 person... where's the fun in that? You can do this option 9 editions per decade... The 2nd option at least is somewhat unpredictable, which means it might turn out very interesting... I know most people probably wouldn't like the songs they have to choose from (the ones they are offered), but special editions are about fun and not thinking about the result... obviously it's never bad to win, but for once in 10 editions we could just forget about it... don't be lazy and explore other nations music... I know it might be hard for some, but that's the beauty of it, because if you'll find something really good, you'll be happy about it... Imagine this as something like Olympic Games... sportsmen from all around the world come together just for the sake of participating and emotions, and medals are only a bonus... this is why sportsmen want to participate in Olympics... obviously some sportsmen will be sad about their results, but at the end of the day all they care about is the emotions and the fact that they participated in Olympics Also - I'm supporting 2nd option because I haven't received any song suggestions since long time ago, and this would be a great oportunity for that I like the challenge, so I'm only for it and you should be too, no matter what the result Whichever country I get I'll try my absolute best like it would be my own country, so I could be proud of what I've selected I find this comment a bit extreme. You are of course free to have and express your own opinion, but I couldn't help to notice you are making the option A as a lesser choice. Not everyone is willing to do the same as you. And the point of the special edition is not to make it hard, but to make it different. A national selection with around 10 voters is just as random as you picking one song from a bunch or someone else. I really don't need people to be completely uninterested looking for the first 3 songs they find from the other country or have half withdraw. Some people don't have time to do the research, but probably have some entries lined up for the future editions anyway. So that's why I made the option B, so people who are willing to take the time and care will select it. I hope Option A people don't think they are lesser because of any reason whatsoever (time constraints, convenience, personal preference, predictability, ...) Options are equal. You are not obligated to select either. You can always sit out. As for the unpredictability, you could make option A unpredictable as well. Take your huge list of songs and just make a random draw of 5. The other person can pick one for you. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just saying, there are other possibilities and other points of view to look at it.
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Post by Julian on Oct 6, 2018 22:50:25 GMT 1
is it possible to voluntarily team up with a certain country? like when two users agree to build a pair, would that be accepted or does it have to be randomly?
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Post by Laurinda on Oct 6, 2018 22:51:48 GMT 1
Option B could be interesting, but it depends on the country we are paired with. If I'm paired with for example, no offense, but I don't know any artist from there and I don't even know where I could search. I think that the best would be to draw the pairs THEN to let the two players decide if they want to select songs for each other. Or make pairs with players from the same geographic area. I disagree with the statement in bolded section. What if the pairs comprise of participants preferring different options? However, I think underlined statement is a very good idea, or at least Option B participants should not be paired "too randomly" considering difficulties arising from the reasons you have mentioned. I am personally familiar with Armenian and Latvian music to some extent, and I wouldn't mind to do a research on retro music from these countries (I have mentioned only these two, as they have expressed support for Option B) Maybe those who opted for Option B should indicate about which countries' music industries they can do a research. (without going "too easy") I would also suggest to base the special edition on only one of the options if there is a considerable opposition to another one. Even though I personally like Option B very much, for realistic purposes, I decided to make these suggestions inspired by your comment. Well, that's great, but I recall edition #50 of WWWSC where I got Ethiopia as my pair ... And guess what. I had absolutely no idea about any songs from there. There is a risk involved with this option, as nothing is clear. You don't know who will pick for you and what will be selected, and you also don't know what you'll have to research. I didn't vote for that topic, but I confirmed. So I had to deal with the consequences. And yes, it took me a really long time to find some really good songs (for my taste at least) or artists for the given situation. I'm not sure how paring Guatemala with Costa Rica is exciting though. If they both go for the second option, they have the chance to be a pair, but I don't know about doing that on purpose. I'm sure some solutions can be found in case the player has problems finding songs.
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Post by nijat on Oct 6, 2018 23:37:35 GMT 1
I disagree with the statement in bolded section. What if the pairs comprise of participants preferring different options? However, I think underlined statement is a very good idea, or at least Option B participants should not be paired "too randomly" considering difficulties arising from the reasons you have mentioned. I am personally familiar with Armenian and Latvian music to some extent, and I wouldn't mind to do a research on retro music from these countries (I have mentioned only these two, as they have expressed support for Option B) Maybe those who opted for Option B should indicate about which countries' music industries they can do a research. (without going "too easy") I would also suggest to base the special edition on only one of the options if there is a considerable opposition to another one. Even though I personally like Option B very much, for realistic purposes, I decided to make these suggestions inspired by your comment. Well, that's great, but I recall edition #50 of WWWSC where I got Ethiopia as my pair ... And guess what. I had absolutely no idea about any songs from there. There is a risk involved with this option, as nothing is clear. You don't know who will pick for you and what will be selected, and you also don't know what you'll have to research. I didn't vote for that topic, but I confirmed. So I had to deal with the consequences. And yes, it took me a really long time to find some really good songs (for my taste at least) or artists for the given situation. I'm not sure how paring Guatemala with Costa Rica is exciting though. If they both go for the second option, they have the chance to be a pair, but I don't know about doing that on purpose. I'm sure some solutions can be found in case the player has problems finding songs. I definitely agree with this comment and exactly this is why, proposed that; 1) if the edition is based on two options, Option B participants might not be choosed very randomly, maybe letting them notify you of which countries they would like to be paired with could work better; 2) otherwise, the edition can be based on one option, which in this case, seems as Option A. The examples from Latvia and Armenia were just an example how Azerbaijan would be paired in case of first suggestion, since I can work with retro music of these countries. If anyone doesn't want to do research with these countries and prefer others, they can work with countries based on their preferences, according to first suggestion of mine. But then I am not sure how this would affect your workload :/ I also believe that a common solution can be found, and these were ideas I came up with, I hope others have better suggestions.
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