Men v Women v Bands v Co-ops #2

[Shovkovskyi/Peter]

Hello! Once again I'm back with another battle of Men v Women v Bands v Co-ops.

As you know, the first battle was won by a co-op, but sadly, it wasn't enough to qualify for the final, so let's hope the next act you'll help me choose will do better

If you don't know the rules of these battles I do, please, go here and read the rules first! Every vote will be greatly appreciated! If you know the rules, you can now listen to the entries and cast your votes to me by PM! Voting deadline will probably be February 4, 2020, unless I'm forced to close earlier (for personal reasons).

Let's move on to the songs, that will be competing:

Representing males is:

Tobu (stylized as 7obu)

Song: "Candyland"

Recap part: 0:54+

About Tobu:

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I don't know, how much you've heard of him (if anything at all), but he is one of those rare occasions, when an artist is more popular outside the country he comes from than inside. The reason being - he's not really advertising himself (both in Latvia and outside), but somehow has managed to become popular outside Latvia. Another reason - people know his tracks, but don't know, who they belong to. Some of his tracks have been used as game soundtracks or a very popular way his tracks get used is in different kind of tutorials on YT).

Representing females is:

Aija Andrejeva

Song: "Bungādiņas" (eng: "Eardrums")

Recap part: 2:05+

Representing bands is:

Oceanpath

Song: "The Puppet Show"

Recap part: 2:16+

About Oceanpath:

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Not a very well known band in Latvia and outside of it, so I decided to give it a try. Another reason I selected this band was because years ago I've had a few suggestions to use metal (from 2 users you are well aware of), but I always rejected them. This though isn't simply a metal band, but a Symphonic Metal band (which is a style I prefer against a regular metal. As you can imagine, they are known only in a very small community of people, so maybe this is their chance to shine. Only you can decide that.

Representing co-ops is:

DVĪNES & Mickeen

Song: "Manā Prātā Tikai Tu" (eng: "Only You In My Mind")

Recap part: 2:24+

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[Shovkovskyi/Peter]

REMINDER: I wasn't really planning to post a reminder this early (planned January 31), but the fact, that only 3 people have voted is kinda unexpected (usually most of the votes come early). I hope it was because you really were busy, not because you don't want to vote. But if so - let me know and I won't bother you anymore.

P.S. Those, who don't want to vote and don't like, what I usually send, please, feel free to suggest me songs, that you find of your liking, so I know, what is it that people prefer.

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[fabbi]

I voted!

[nijat]

From my experience of organizing National Selection:

It is likely to get less number of voters when the rule of the national selection is to vote by points, be it in Eurovision style or its modified versions. Participants tend to vote in National Selections when they do not have to list the candidates in descending/ascending order. This is why polls have been a better "platform" in terms of receiving votes, and the main reason why I also shifted to polls in the latest National Selections.

[Shovkovskyi/Peter]

Jan 29, 2020 22:39:04 GMT 1 nijat said:

From my experience of organizing National Selection:

It is likely to get less number of voters when the rule of the national selection is to vote by points, be it in Eurovision style or its modified versions. Participants tend to vote in National Selections when they do not have to list the candidates in descending/ascending order. This is why polls have been a better "platform" in terms of receiving votes, and the main reason why I also shifted to polls in the latest National Selections.

I know polls would work better, but I'm not really a fan of any version of polls available - I don't want voters to see the results (to not get affected of how others have voted), before I've closed the voting, but at the same time as the creator of one I want to see them, before I close it, so I know, if there's a draw or not. You can select, for example, even number of songs and wait until you have an odd number of votes, but even then there's a chance for a draw - like you have now in your NF... The existing polls don't offer the option for the poll creator to see the results, while others can't see them. It's either everyone sees or no one does... If they would add this option (it shouldn't be too hard to do), I wouldn't even bother with all points and PM's, but right now polls don't meet my expectations... I might try to look for some online polls, where my expectations would be met, but we'll see... I guess I might just make scoreboards, where everyone votes... that's pretty much the closest to the ideal poll version in my mind... but people might not be happy about that either...
I might as well maybe make it for this edition already - only those, who have voted would have to cast their votes there (because I won't be able to add them manually), which shouldn't be too hard, because it's not like you have to rate the songs again... what would you (and others) say about such option?

[fabbi]

Jan 29, 2020 22:39:04 GMT 1 nijat said:

From my experience of organizing National Selection:

It is likely to get less number of voters when the rule of the national selection is to vote by points, be it in Eurovision style or its modified versions. Participants tend to vote in National Selections when they do not have to list the candidates in descending/ascending order. This is why polls have been a better "platform" in terms of receiving votes, and the main reason why I also shifted to polls in the latest National Selections.

Tbh. yes. I used to be like that in the past (and sometimes also now). When I read somewhere "please send me your top ... in a Pm", I was like "Nah, I'm not going to do that."

[Shovkovskyi/Peter]

Jan 30, 2020 22:16:55 GMT 1 fabbi said:

Jan 29, 2020 22:39:04 GMT 1 nijat said:

From my experience of organizing National Selection:

It is likely to get less number of voters when the rule of the national selection is to vote by points, be it in Eurovision style or its modified versions. Participants tend to vote in National Selections when they do not have to list the candidates in descending/ascending order. This is why polls have been a better "platform" in terms of receiving votes, and the main reason why I also shifted to polls in the latest National Selections.

Tbh. yes. I used to be like that in the past (and sometimes also now). When I read somewhere "please send me your top ... in a Pm", I was like "Nah, I'm not going to do that."

Would you better vote through scorewiz? You know, the way Jasna usually asks us to vote in Retro awards, where you vote once you open the link she sent you. I'm thinking of using that for the next time, because people just don't seem to be willing to vote this way anyway... And because there's only 4 songs, the voting system then would be like in ESC 1964-66 with 5,3,1,0 points being awarded to the competing songs. I mean, opening a link and moving songs in order you like them should be easier than sending a PM, right? Or do you think these forum polls are the way to go? I mean, from previous experience I can say that none of the options really works for me - with polls I maybe get an extra vote or two, but not such an improvement to say, that they are definitely the way to go... Another thing I don't like about polls is that you don't see, which song people have preferred (if they voted for multiple songs), when there's a draw. Or if they can vote only 1 song and you still end up with a draw, you pretty much have to make the choice yourself, which makes the poll kinda useless, if you know, what I mean...

[nijat]

Jan 30, 2020 9:35:31 GMT 1 Shovkovskyi/Peter said:

Jan 29, 2020 22:39:04 GMT 1 nijat said:

From my experience of organizing National Selection:

It is likely to get less number of voters when the rule of the national selection is to vote by points, be it in Eurovision style or its modified versions. Participants tend to vote in National Selections when they do not have to list the candidates in descending/ascending order. This is why polls have been a better "platform" in terms of receiving votes, and the main reason why I also shifted to polls in the latest National Selections.

I know polls would work better, but I'm not really a fan of any version of polls available - I don't want voters to see the results (to not get affected of how others have voted), before I've closed the voting, but at the same time as the creator of one I want to see them, before I close it, so I know, if there's a draw or not. You can select, for example, even number of songs and wait until you have an odd number of votes, but even then there's a chance for a draw - like you have now in your NF... The existing polls don't offer the option for the poll creator to see the results, while others can't see them. It's either everyone sees or no one does... If they would add this option (it shouldn't be too hard to do), I wouldn't even bother with all points and PM's, but right now polls don't meet my expectations... I might try to look for some online polls, where my expectations would be met, but we'll see... I guess I might just make scoreboards, where everyone votes... that's pretty much the closest to the ideal poll version in my mind... but people might not be happy about that either...
I might as well maybe make it for this edition already - only those, who have voted would have to cast their votes there (because I won't be able to add them manually), which shouldn't be too hard, because it's not like you have to rate the songs again... what would you (and others) say about such option?

To be honest, I am not really fond of polls either. But my reasoning is different: polls do not let you know to what extent the voters like participating songs. It could be that the players voted for some songs, but they did not really like them, just found better compared to other candidates. This is why, in the past, especially in my National Selections for Retro WWWSC, I used to ask all the players to vote for each song in a 0-10 scale so that I know whether they like/dislike the competing would-be entries. 

When you add polls in the thread, you do actually have an option of seeing the results, albeit in a kind of indirect way. If you tick one of the options in the poll, it will show you the results, and then you can exclude your vote(s) by un-ticking. This is how I always check the results of my National Selections after a number of people vote. However, at this point, (to my knowledge) only the ScoreWiz option gives you an opportunity to examine the results without the voters being able to see them. Nevertheless, I think the only advantage of this option will be in relation to that, and I do not think it will bring about the increase in the number of voters. 

There are other factors accounting for the few numbers of voters in National Selections: first, our countries are not known ones with bigger industries; second, interest in voting in WWWSC's National Selections and in general, the contest, in my opinion, has decreased to some extent; third, players tend not to vote when there are a lot of National Selections being organized. This time I did not have a clear idea on what entry to send for the next edition, which led me to organize a National Selection; however, I could survive without that as well Maybe the next time I should inform you before deciding to conduct a National Selection, so that we get more votes from the participants. Otherwise, I can imagine how annoyed the contestants can feel with so many notifications from us in general. 

[Shovkovskyi/Peter]

Results time!

Before we get to the results, I wanted to say, that next time there will be no more PM's involved in voting (you clearly don't like it), so from next time I will be using a scorewiz. I will give you a link, which you'll open and move the songs in order you like them. Those of you, who take part in Retro WWWSC know, how it works (usually awards voting is like this), but anyway I'll explain in more detail it the next time. I hope this way I'll have more votes.

Back to the results - Seeing, how little of you were interested in voting this time in my NF, I don't feel like waiting any longer for votes that eventually will never come, so here are the results!

I didn't expect such result and I think none of you really did (at least not as dominant). I've never had a NF, where 1 song dominates so much, so I hope that's a good sign! Although, if there were more votes, maybe the final result would be different, so I'm not gonna get too hyped and expect this song to do super well, but it should at least do better than my previous entry, right?

Than you to everyone who voted!

See the voting table in spoiler:

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So here's your winning song!

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[Laurinda]

That's the only song that stood out, I guess. Even if my top two could be considered a tie.
That being said, I don't know if I'll vote for it as it's not what I usually enjoy, but it depends on the strength of the semi.

Good luck